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Post by ericlinxweiler on Feb 13, 2013 13:28:22 GMT -8
Include the structure of our basic and intermediate programs. This information is easy to find on the internet, but providing as part of F9 only enhances it's value to climbers and climbing organizations.
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Post by jimnelson on Feb 15, 2013 12:53:21 GMT -8
Should we have the course curriculum's on this board for discussions? The basic grade card maybe
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Post by nicklyle on Feb 15, 2013 19:52:20 GMT -8
What would this look like? A list? An outline?
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Post by ericlinxweiler on Feb 26, 2013 11:09:23 GMT -8
I'd include something similar to the basic handbook. Perhaps even the way instruction occurs. It wouldn't be hard to make a generic program that could be used by any group, however keep the NW details specific to Mountaineers courses.
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Post by gregggagliardi on Mar 5, 2013 12:13:04 GMT -8
Ideally Freedom 9 organization would not only present the course curricula but it would also closely parallel the two climbing courses in terms of topical presentation and related multi-media supplements to those topics. Indeed, Freedom 9 could serve as a central reference on general climbing skills with deliberate links to other Mountaineers' books on special topics that would also ideally parallel our specialty courses (aid climbing; sport climbing; crag climbing; water ice climbing; small party self-rescue; etc.).
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Post by nickhunt on Mar 7, 2013 12:31:39 GMT -8
I'm not sure this would add much value to book, and only make it bigger and more costly. FOTH is much more widely used by individuals, rather than climbing education organizations, and I think we should keep the book's "lean and mean" approach (with a focus on hard and soft skills), and steer away from programming. I do not think the independent readers are going to be interested in a course outline. Any competent climbing organization should be able to use this book as a reference without needing a pre-designed curriculum.
Perhaps a link to something like this can just be included in the "Supplementary Resources" appendix?
-Nick
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Post by nicklyle on Mar 14, 2013 22:54:06 GMT -8
I like the idea of linking to a web site or app for this kind of programming information. This would also allow the programming information to be updated regularly without having to touch the printed edition.
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Post by dougcanfield on Apr 2, 2013 9:14:21 GMT -8
Because Freedom is used both by both one-off shoppers and as course texts for students, I think it would be helpful to create an instruction workbook to complement the courses. I see this as an 8.5x11 guide, not too lengthy, including the course outline, worksheets, teaching-section summaries, quizzes, skills cards, and other notes that instructors have found to be useful complements to their classes.
Mountaineers Books has talked about this in the past, but usually too late in the process, when the section committees are already exhausted. We might be able to accomplish it this time around if we begin gathering the materials already being used by instructors starting at the outset of the process. With these teaching aids in hand, the committees would have to decide which ones are the most useful for the workbook.
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Post by gregggagliardi on Apr 3, 2013 13:23:35 GMT -8
This would work well as a course app. Students and instructors would have access to it for lectures and field trips. It would save a lot of the current paperwork and make field trips easier to run and document.
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Post by kensmall on May 12, 2013 15:57:26 GMT -8
I agree with Nick Hunt on this. Our own course curricula (and which branch's version would it be?) would be of little interest even to most organizations, if there are any, that might want to adopt the FOTH as a text, since it is likely, for geographic or other reasons, that their course(s) would not come very close to matching ours. It might be interesting to find out, if we could, whether there are any organizations that are using or have used FOTH as a text in their courses. An alternative that might be of some value would be lists of techniques, procedures, skills that might reasonably be considered required (or recommended, optional) for different types of climbing (not climbing courses), e.g., beginner-level general alpine climbing, including roped rock and glacier climbing.
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Post by nicklyle on May 17, 2013 16:23:44 GMT -8
The course manual is a great idea. The Everett Mountaineers AIARE 1 avalanche course puts out two manuals to supplement the AIARE 1 course text. One manual is for students, with relevant assignments, schedules, gear lists and instructions relating to course activities. The other manual is written for instructors, with both specific instructions, gear lists, lists of course topics to be covered, etc. and also general discussion of teaching techniques and styles. We are developing similar materials in the Seattle AIARE 1 course as well. These materials are very much specific to the course and are usually updated to some extent every year.
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